Comeback of Ancient Farming Practice

[zigs]

Mango stones, if the climate ever turns hot around here there will be mango trees growing out of every compost heap

They'll go well with my outside cactus bed, all but one died of cold in this globally warmed winter

 

[Oliver Buckle]

By the by, did you know there are hundreds and hundreds of different varieties of mango growing at different seasons and used for different dishes?
@zigs Ouch, that's nasty. I think it was partly melted snow that then re-froze, It took out a row of broad beans in my garden, and they are supposed to be good to minus 10.

 

[Susan BBPM]

I'm not sure what title to use - but I'd love a thread sharing ideas on how to go about countering the effects of modern life and climate change on wildlife?

I mean, we're all pretty much agreed on where the problems lie - but what is everyone doing in their little plot of land to make a difference? I'm new to it but very keen to create an oasis for wildlife.

 

[zigs]

I'm not sure what title to use - but I'd love a thread sharing ideas on how to go about countering the effects of modern life and climate change on wildlife?

I mean, we're all pretty much agreed on where the problems lie - but what is everyone doing in their little plot of land to make a difference? I'm new to it but very keen to create an oasis for wildlife.

Our oasis has got badgers, weasles, stoats, pheasants, partridges, wood peckers and all sorts

Good idea Susan, my first thought for a thread title was "After the Goldrush" but that probably makes me an old hippy

 

[zigs]

By the by, did you know there are hundreds and hundreds of different varieties of mango growing at different seasons and used for different dishes?
@zigs Ouch, that's nasty. I think it was partly melted snow that then re-froze, It took out a row of broad beans in my garden, and they are supposed to be good to minus 10.

I didn't know that Oliver

I think it got cold too quickly last winter, things didn't have time to get used to it. Had a look with Tetters today, there are still a few outside cacti alive

 

[Ruderunner]

I'm not sure what title to use - but I'd love a thread sharing ideas on how to go about countering the effects of modern life and climate change on wildlife?

I mean, we're all pretty much agreed on where the problems lie - but what is everyone doing in their little plot of land to make a difference? I'm new to it but very keen to create an oasis for wildlife.

I'm not sure we can or should. I grew up in city areas and currently in a rural area.

Seems like animals adapt to their surroundings.

The problem with creating an oasis is it's going to attract all kinds of wildlife. Some you'd rather not have around.

 

[Oliver Buckle]

Some places they have been growing mangoes as long as we have apples
Good to know some made it, Zigs, I don't think any of my pelargoniums made it in the greenhouse.

 

[Tetters]

@Susan BBPM, feeding the birds is a good place to start, as long as the feeders are kept immaculately clean, and you don't overdo it. There is plenty of advice on the RSPB site. Find flower plants and seeds that are attractive to bees (preferably with single flowers), provide water, make a log pile for beetles, garden organically, don't use poisons (especially near veggies) don't use loose netting as it will wrap around small animals and can cause very painful problems, loss of limbs, and death. Make a bug hotel!
There's no point worrying about the global warming scam - we make no difference whatsoever, and I imagine it's usually pretty cold in Ayrshire anyway most of the time
Oh yes, and leave a few wild plants aka weeds here and there for the butterflies to lay eggs on - especially a stinging nettle patch.

 

[Susan BBPM]

Our oasis has got badgers, weasles, stoats, pheasants, partridges, wood peckers and all sorts

Good idea Susan, my first thought for a thread title was "After the Goldrush" but that probably makes me an old hippy

My oasis has 4 resident Beagles so that limits things a little bit. However, we've always regularly had foxes at night (we know because the Beagles love to roll in their poop!), hedgehogs (we know because when they spot one at night they stand in a circle around it at announce it's presence to the entire neighbourhood). We also get storks, pheasants, squirrels, woodpecker, birds of prey (they bring their kill to our garden to eat it). That's all without trying.

 

[headfullofbees]

Cover cropping is valuable. Climate change is real...unfortunately, it is the continued cutting out of soft natural life (cooler surfaces and shade) and the replacement of stone, asphalt, and concrete which stores heat and amplifies the lingering affects of temperature. ...and Yes, smoke and other particulates in the air do not help.

Particulates ARE pollution, but cool the planet: the smoke & particles from a big eruption can cool the planet more than it has heated since 1850, but we are in a volcanic "drought".
No-one says climate change isn't real; the difference is whether, or how big the anthropogenic contribution, which has a huge bearing on the actions we take.

Argue with the logic of this statement: if there really was a climate emergency, solely caused by man, we could not afford to give China, India & all the other developing countries the leeway to let rip with all the fossil fuels they like, so they can develop too.

If OUR development is so evil, so bad for the planet, why isn't theirs?

 

[Tetters]

The temperature on our planet has always fluctuated, until we manage to destroy the whole lot by blowing it up, it will continue to fluctuate. This has absolutely nothing to do with our activities here.
If only people could wake up to the fact that this is being used by the greedy super rich, who have been speeding up their evil plans to completely devastate the rest of us. We are being robbed of our freedom, our means of survival, and our health in every way. Puppets are paid off to back this up (I could give more detail)
Please people do your own research, the few of us (in fact, a few thousand and growing numbers) are striving to alert you into removing your heads from the sand and using your mental capacity to seek out some TRUTH.
There is just a small number of us on this forum who try to suggest that the rest should, for their own benefit and that of their children at least give the subject some thought and ask some questions.
The social media has been gagged. Many intelligent and knowledgeable people have been removed. Many of these people resort to whatever means they can use to warn us, but who will listen to them?
In frustration, and because we care, we endeavour to give you links to watch some of these people, but who will listen to them - not many I expect. Is it futile to try any more?

The ''climate change panic'' is a manufactured SCAM - a blanket of smoke to cover many other devious and wicked acts of sabotage on us. Those who survive this assault in physical existence will undoubtedly cease to even understand the concept anyway as their thinking power is stolen from them in its entirety.

 

[Oliver Buckle]

The ''climate change panic'' is a manufactured SCAM - a blanket of smoke to cover many other devious and wicked acts of sabotage on us

There are two issues here, one that the climate change panic is a scam; the other that climate change is being used as a smoke screen,

I am sure that there are plenty using it as a smoke- screen, but one of the things that makes a smoke-screen effective is being based on something genuine, there should be a core of truth. There may be various causes behind overall global warming, but most informed people, now seem pretty sure that human activity is one of them, a number of them having changed their minds on this as the evidence has accumulated.

 

[Tetters]

Oh, not sure if I mentioned that CO2 has gone up since the last (or present) ice age, by 130 parts per million.

That's 0.013%

To picture that percentage, picture 100 litre bottles, 0.013% of 100 litres is just over 2 teaspoons.

@Oliver Buckle , I wonder if you missed this little bit of information that Zigs pointed out? Our actions made no difference to these levels. What on earth makes you think mankind will survive anyway without carbon? They are telling you porky pies.

 

[Susan BBPM]

There are two issues here, one that the climate change panic is a scam; the other that climate change is being used as a smoke screen,

I am sure that there are plenty using it as a smoke- screen, but one of the things that makes a smoke-screen effective is being based on something genuine, there should be a core of truth. There may be various causes behind overall global warming, but most informed people, now seem pretty sure that human activity is one of them, a number of them having changed their minds on this as the evidence has accumulated.

I agree.

Apparently (and I'm not pretending to be an expert, but obviously you read up on things and decide what you think seems the most likely explanation), the world is reliant upon constant economic growth. Every country is in massive debt and relies upon constant GDP growth in order to pay off interest, pay pensions, wages and generally keep the world turning. Without growth wages / pensions aren't paid and the system collapses. Now obviously it's only an 'on paper' system; nothing really changes. But it's the system that society is built upon. It's collapse leads to anarchy.
Constand economic growth requires constant increase in resource consumption. That includes energy. Historical data shows a direct correlation between availability of cheap energy and economic growth. So, growth consistently occurs when more readily available, cheap energy is discovered (e.g. coal, oil, gas). Later forms of energy such as nuclear, wind, solar etc are all much more expensive than the energy that was available at times of economic growth.

Also, the third world (most of the world's population) are competing with the West for energy and other resources.

So, yes - obviously the planet will ultimately be destroyed if we continue on this exponential growth of energy consumption, resource consumption, waste products etc. That's certain.

I think the emergency is to replace the habits of society and shift the population onto a more sustainable model. They use the 'climate emergency' because people find that easier to grasp than 'the economic system is on the verge of collapse'. Also, if you tell people the economic system is on the verge of collapse it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

So, I think there is an emergency. My concern is that the politicians and very wealthy are 'solving' the problem by feathering their own nests and kicking the rest of us off the ladder to live on bugs in 'smart cities'. Factory farmed humans.

 

[headfullofbees]

There are two issues here, one that the climate change panic is a scam; the other that climate change is being used as a smoke screen,

I am sure that there are plenty using it as a smoke- screen, but one of the things that makes a smoke-screen effective is being based on something genuine, there should be a core of truth. There may be various causes behind overall global warming, but most informed people, now seem pretty sure that human activity is one of them, a number of them having changed their minds on this as the evidence has accumulated.

Explain this any other way if you can:

Every working climate scientist (that is every professional climatologist, dependent upon grants for his income, his mortgage & his status) "believes" in anthropogenic climate change.

Most RETIRED climate scientists (that is those no longer on the govt. teat), do not.

Ergo the difference in "belief" is solely down to the need to protect one's income & status.