Manure 101.

[pepper]

Exaggerate much? QED!!

Exactly, that is exaggerated, just like going overboard stressing about manure lol.

As far as AI, it doesn't hurt to ask and I never said it did. But I don't see the point because you have no idea if the answer is a lie if they say no. If they say yes then they must want to keep the manure because no one in their right mind would take it lol.

 

[Meadowlark]

This has got a one percent chance of effecting my cow manure imports but i have some ready to plant and time to test it. I'll pop in a tomato seedling now and look at it in a couple of weeks. Thanks for the info.

Now that is what I call "common sense" approach to the problem. Very good! Very good indeed.

 

[pepper]

Now that is what I call "common sense" approach to the problem. Very good! Very good indeed.

I don't want to keep the ball rolling, I think we have come to the point that we can both agree to disagree. I just have one question, according the the AI it can affect plants in different ways, such as young plants, leaves or fruit. Is putting off the spring garden for a week or two waiting to see what happens really going to be enough time to tell if it's going to be harmful to the fruit and not so much the actual plant? It still sounds like a 1% gamble to me.

 

[Meadowlark]

I don't want to keep the ball rolling, I think we have come to the point that we can both agree to disagree. I just have one question, according the the AI it can affect plants in different ways, such as young plants, leaves or fruit. Is putting off the spring garden for a week or two waiting to see what happens really going to be enough time to tell if it's going to be harmful to the fruit and not so much the actual plant? It still sounds like a 1% gamble to me.

The ball isn't rolling. Common sense should prevail. Ask and if in doubt, test.

Testing should be planned well in advance...and should not hold up anything.

The Op has many months before planting her spring garden. To advise the Op, "don't ask and don't test, just accept" is indeed very poor judgement at best. Just use common sense and don't worry about rolling balls.

 

[pepper]

The ball isn't rolling. Common sense should prevail. Ask and if in doubt, test.

Testing should be planned well in advance...and should not hold up anything.

The Op has many months before planting her spring garden. To advise the Op, "don't ask and don't test, just accept" is indeed very poor judgement at best. Just use common sense and don't worry about rolling balls.

I didn't advise anyone not to ask or test, the asking part seems completely pointless unless you believe everything everyone tells you. As for the testing part I simply said most gardeners don't do that. And I am use to living in Canada where you only have a short period to grow things unless you happen to have grow lights set up and not in use so I forgot that some places in USA and other countries can garden year round. But most people still don't grow plants from start to finish just to test them on a 1% chance of having bad manure before using it. Nothing wrong with it if someone does, that's not my point.

And just to mention I was also going by what you said a few posts back about planting beans for 10 days as a test. You didn't mention anything about testing a plant from start to finish until I just mentioned it.

 

[Meadowlark]

I didn't advise anyone not to ask or test, the asking part seems completely pointless unless you believe everything everyone tells you. ...
As for the testing part I simply said most gardeners don't do that.

You are beating a dead horse, and that ball isn't rolling, LOL. Asking raises awareness...among suppliers that the consumers care about residual herbicides. More awareness is a good thing..."simply accepting is a horrible thing."


So what? That most don't test proves absolutely nothing, nada. Do you live your life by what most others do? LOL, no ball rolling here.

And just to mention I was also going by what you said a few posts back about planting beans for 10 days as a test. You didn't mention anything about testing a plant from start to finish until I just mentioned it.

I never said anything about start to finish. I said 10 days to germinate, and you will be able to determine very quickly if there is a problem.

"The Op has many months before planting her spring garden. To advise the Op, "don't ask and don't test, just accept" is indeed very poor judgement at best. Just use common sense and don't worry about rolling balls."

 

[pepper]

You are beating a dead horse, and that ball isn't rolling, LOL. Asking raises awareness...among suppliers that the consumers care about residual herbicides. More awareness is a good thing..."simply accepting is a horrible thing."


So what? That most don't test proves absolutely nothing, nada. Do you live your life by what most others do? LOL, no ball rolling here.


I never said anything about start to finish. I said 10 days to germinate, and you will be able to determine very quickly if there is a problem.

"The Op has many months before planting her spring garden. To advise the Op, "don't ask and don't test, just accept" is indeed very poor judgement at best. Just use common sense and don't worry about rolling balls."

By keeping the ball rolling I ment continuing the discussion with you when we could both be doing something more productive lol, I'm not sure what you're thinking it means?

And again, I didn't advise the OP anything, I'm sure they are a able to decide for themselves if they want to ask and test the manure or not. I simply said I wouldn't and most people don't.

Your daily life revolves around your garden but that doesn't mean mine does. In a couple more weeks I'll be done with it and done thinking about it until next year. To me it's just a hobby, something I do inbetween responsibilities and other hobbies. I don't take it as serious as you, even though I enjoy it there are much more important things for me to worry about then a 1% chance of manure killing a few plants. It would suck if it happened, yes. But it's not something I am worried about because the chance is so small. My life isn't going to end from starvation if I have to use a different garden for a year or two, I usually only use a small section of my garden anyway and rotate it around each year. It's up to the OP and anyone else how big a part of their life revolves around their garden and how concerned they are about it, not you or me.

 

[roadrunner]

I don't want to keep the ball rolling, I think we have come to the point that we can both agree to disagree. I just have one question, according the the AI it can affect plants in different ways, such as young plants, leaves or fruit. Is putting off the spring garden for a week or two waiting to see what happens really going to be enough time to tell if it's going to be harmful to the fruit and not so much the actual plant? It still sounds like a 1% gamble to me.

It is a relatively low risk, but the problem is that if you get some contaminated manure/hay it can be in your soil for up to 3-years, depending on how much is in the contaminated material, which is measure in Parts Per Billion (PPB).

I also believe it's fine to ask the person you get manure from if they sprayed their fields with these types herbicides, but it may not really matter even if they do NOT use any herbicides, because most people buy hay for their livestock and that hay maybe contaminated and they won't even know, since the herbicide goes harmlessly thru the animal. In other words, this herbicide issue is not a real concern for those that raise livestock.

If a farmer you go to to get manure, suddenly changes sources for his hay...there is a possibility it's contaminated hay, which results in contaminated manure.

P.S. It's not the fruit, this herbicide is a danger to, it's the actual plant, so you won't even get to the point of getting to harvest.

When you get time I'd just recommend you read this link, some really good information in their -- very detailed.

Warning: Herbicide Contaminated Compost, Straw and Organic Fertilizer

Over the last 20 years there have been a number of news reports about herbicide contaminated manure, compost, straw and organic fertilizer. This is a real problem for gardeners because such products will harm and even kill your plants. The danger is real! How can this happen? How common is this...

www.gardenmyths.com

 

[Tetters]

By keeping the ball rolling I ment continuing the discussion with you when we could both be doing something more productive lol, I'm not sure what you're thinking it means?

And again, I didn't advise the OP anything, I'm sure they are a able to decide for themselves if they want to ask and test the manure or not. I simply said I wouldn't and most people don't.

Your daily life revolves around your garden but that doesn't mean mine does. In a couple more weeks I'll be done with it and done thinking about it until next year. To me it's just a hobby, something I do inbetween responsibilities and other hobbies. I don't take it as serious as you, even though I enjoy it there are much more important things for me to worry about then a 1% chance of manure killing a few plants. It would suck if it happened, yes. But it's not something I am worried about because the chance is so small. My life isn't going to end from starvation if I have to use a different garden for a year or two, I usually only use a small section of my garden anyway and rotate it around each year. It's up to the OP and anyone else how big a part of their life revolves around their garden and how concerned they are about it, not you or me.

We all joined a gardening forum because gardening is an extremely big part of our lives. We have mostly learned by experience. If you have no real interest in the subject it might be better for you and all of us if you find a different forum to be ignorant and rude on, and leave us in peace. LOL

 

[zigs]

Your daily life revolves around your garden but that doesn't mean mine does. In a couple more weeks I'll be done with it and done thinking about it until next year. To me it's just a hobby, something I do inbetween responsibilities and other hobbies. I don't take it as serious as you, even though I enjoy it there are much more important things for me to worry about then a 1% chance of manure killing a few plants. It would suck if it happened, yes. But it's not something I am worried about because the chance is so small. My life isn't going to end from starvation if I have to use a different garden for a year or two, I usually only use a small section of my garden anyway and rotate it around each year. It's up to the OP and anyone else how big a part of their life revolves around their garden and how concerned they are about it, not you or me.

Thank glod for that

I'm sure it would be lovely for all on here if you went off and did something other than gardening, maybe you could find a knitting forum to tell everyone how much better it would be if A.I. wrote their patterns for them and then be really rude to anyone who tells you that's not how they want to do it or indeed why they joined a knitting forum in the first place.

I hope you're really happy telling people how they should think and do things on whatever forum you choose to descend on like a seventh sense next time, just don't bother coming back to this one as I for one have had enough of you.

Lol.

 

[redback]

Now that is what I call "common sense" approach to the problem. Very good! Very good indeed.

Well, it's done, and four tomato seedlings are planted amongst the imported cow dung. The outcome is known because I have top-dressed all the broccoli, cabbage, broad bean and strawberry plants with the imported manure two weeks ago.
So, you were right Pepper. The possibility of importing contaminated manure from reputable suppliers is - 0.000 repeating %.