@johnny canoe Are you serious? They snow in Japan as well, you know.. and I think acers do well in Scotland too. So you're in the west of Alberta.. Is that right or my geography has failed me. Rocky mountain runs through British Columbia I think.. See that was about 35 years ago that I did my geography.. Need to consult the physical map of Canada.. Those seeds are horrible and I don't even know what they are as they never came with any label.. Shame is that I bought loads of wisteria seeds from Hong Kong and the germination rate is very good.. And they are tough cookies and have survived the winter here..