What to fill a new raised bed with?

[big rockpile]

I don't know. The way I see it 99% of what we eat is filled with things we shouldn't eat. If you buy bread, the grains to make it probably got sprayed with that stuff. If you buy flour and make your own bread, same thing. An organic garden, more often then not the neighbors are spraying their lawns and it's drifting into your garden anyway. It is just my opinion and outlook and I respect anyone who disagrees, but I don't think it's possible to get away from any of that stuff regardless what you do or don't do in a backyard garden. It's in the rivers, lakes, ocean, sea, even rain. Most farmers use it herbicides and pesticides, very few don't and they are mostly small scale.

There is nothing used on Wheat.

Once it is in the bin might get Bugs and they deal with them at the bin.

If it's ground for Flour and gets Bugs the Augers are sprayed.

Know this from experience. Been a Farmer all my life. Retired Baker. Worked as a Seedsman.

I bought a Truck Load of Top Soil found it had just as much Clay as the soil I have and had some Johnson Grass.

Next ones are going to be Sunshine 4 but will have to fertilize and Lime.

big rockpile

 

[pepper]

There is nothing used on Wheat.

Once it is in the bin might get Bugs and they deal with them at the bin.

If it's ground for Flour and gets Bugs the Augers are sprayed.

Know this from experience. Been a Farmer all my life. Retired Baker. Worked as a Seedsman.

I bought a Truck Load of Top Soil found it had just as much Clay as the soil I have and had some Johnson Grass.

Next ones are going to be Sunshine 4 but will have to fertilize and Lime.

big rockpile

According to the USA government agriculture web information herbicides, pesticides and some other thing is often used. There are a million other websites about wheat being sprayed as well. Like I said, I'm sure not every single farmer does but the large scale ones mostly do.

Pesticides are used in practice to satisfy ever-increasing consumer demand for wheat and its products by minimizing the pre- and post-harvest losses. However, as well as increasing wheat productivity, pesticides also carry hazards as residues accumulate in different wheat grain fractions. -science direct.


Roundup is used on a wide variety of crops, including wheat, soybeans, barley, oats, lentils, peas, canola, corn, flax, alfalfa, rye, triticale, sugar beets, cotton, buckwheat, potatoes and millet.

Glyphosate is showing up predominately in food made with oats because oats and wheat are sprayed with glyphosate to kill the crop right before harvesting.

Not trying to get off topic just making a point that if you eat anything from a grocery store like wheat for example then you are eating pesticides and herbicides so I wouldn't be too concerned if a bag of manure had a trace of that stuff in it, you are eating it anyway.

 

[Meadowlark]

I wouldn't be too concerned if a bag of manure had a trace of that stuff in it, you are eating it anyway.

Ridiculous! There are folks on this forum, neighbors I know, and lots of reports of it taking multiple years to recover, as in grow any veggies, from herbicide residue in bagged manure. Black Cow in particular is notorious for having those problems.

 

[pepper]

Ridiculous! There are folks on this forum, neighbors I know, and lots of reports of it taking multiple years to recover, as in grow any veggies, from herbicide residue in bagged manure. Black Cow in particular is notorious for having those problems.

I won't bother checking to see how many billions of tons of bagged manure is sold annually across the USA and Canada purchased for home gardens but if it was that bad and everyone's garden buckled then I don't think people would continue to buy it year after year for their gardens. However I am like you and prefer personal experience over other people's stories so I'll buy a bag of every brand of cow manure I can find locally and use it in a mix to see what happens when I plant a pepper plant in each one. If they don't do well then I guess it kills plants. If they do well then I guess it's doing what it's suppose to do.

Unless someone sends their plant to a laboratory I don't know how they pinpoint it's the manure in the soil causing their problem and not the next door neighbor spraying his lawn or something completely unrelated to herbicide and pesticide? Half the time no one knows what is wrong with their plant let alone what exactly caused it.

 

[big rockpile]

According to the USA government agriculture web information herbicides, pesticides and some other thing is often used. There are a million other websites about wheat being sprayed as well. Like I said, I'm sure not every single farmer does but the large scale ones mostly do.

Pesticides are used in practice to satisfy ever-increasing consumer demand for wheat and its products by minimizing the pre- and post-harvest losses. However, as well as increasing wheat productivity, pesticides also carry hazards as residues accumulate in different wheat grain fractions. -science direct.


Roundup is used on a wide variety of crops, including wheat, soybeans, barley, oats, lentils, peas, canola, corn, flax, alfalfa, rye, triticale, sugar beets, cotton, buckwheat, potatoes and millet.

Glyphosate is showing up predominately in food made with oats because oats and wheat are sprayed with glyphosate to kill the crop right before harvesting.

Not trying to get off topic just making a point that if you eat anything from a grocery store like wheat for example then you are eating pesticides and herbicides so I wouldn't be too concerned if a bag of manure had a trace of that stuff in it, you are eating it anyway.

Seriously I raised thousands of acres of Hard Winter Wheat never put a thing on it other than fertilizer in 50 years.

Had a few hundred acres burn because of a train but they paid for it.

Same with Barley.

big rockpile

 

[big rockpile]

Why would you put anything else on it. It is think enough to crowd out any weeds and never had problem with Bugs.

Beans I never raised but cleaned plenty. Tried picking out green Night Shade one time which was a waste of time. Had to wait for it to dry. Did put Vitavex for fungal support for planting.

Corn use to Cultivate until Roundup and no till planting.

I now have a Son with Limphoma because of Roundup.

big rockpile

 

[big rockpile]

Manuer my main thing is weeds.

Composting helps but then I need a Pickup.

What am I talking about I have Chickens and now Rabbits.

big rockpile

 

[pepper]

Seriously I raised thousands of acres of Hard Winter Wheat never put a thing on it other than fertilizer in 50 years.

Had a few hundred acres burn because of a train but they paid for it.

Same with Barley.

big rockpile

I believe you but it's like me saying I don't use synthetic fertilizer like miracle grow. Just because I don't doesn't mean no one else does, probably more people do then don't because it's sold in garden sections in stores across Canada and USA. If no one used pesticides and herbicides on wheat then there wouldn't be studies showing it to be found in wheat products from the grocery stores. Maybe it wasn't used much years ago but things change and there is a much higher demand now as shown by your governments own agricultural information available for anyone to read as well as my own governments agricultural information that also shows chemicals are often used.

 

[big rockpile]

I'm sorry I have to rethink this.

It was 30 years ago for me and I'm sure things have changed.

I remember in the 60's Dozing all the Timber off the hills and broadcasting in Fescue.

When I was young we depended on Check twice a month for Grade C Milk, milked by hand.

Most my grain went for feed. If it was dry like this year and Corn Crop was going to be bad, it was Chopped for Silage.

Things were just different then. All Hay was Square Bales. Fescue was Winter Pasture. There was no No Till. Very few around here raise grain because it's too hard picking rock off the fields.

Most the fence I put up was Wooden Post just punch a hole and drive the Post in.

T post are easier and won't burn.

Our last Farm I built Rock Corner Post and used T Post.
Fence would never burn.

big rockpile

 

[redback]

Aerial spraying is likely to spread over a very wide area outside the target. The farmer across the road sprays for mite and even the softest whisper of a southerly breeze drifts the spray onto the trees out the front of my place. My father once Thirty years ago) tried to grow tomatoes but was stopped dead when they all inexplicably died. I investigated and found agent orange was being used on gauze bushes two kilometers away.
The ground does recover quickly from glyphosate. Weeds seem to absorb it and neutralize it. Nonetheless we have a widespread problem that needs fixing. If we outlaw glyphosate what will replace it?
I have bought in a large load of cow manure of unknown origin, and I did the same last year. I use it as mulch and as a brown layer in the compost process. The compost is full of lively looking earwigs, slaters, worms, centipedes etc. My chooks eat all my leftovers and look healthy still. I am trying to grow high nutrient food without any toxic content. It's difficult.