Be Careful of what You Feed Your Children/Grandchildren

[big rockpile]

I can't have Caffeine or Alcohol, no Sugar, no Bleached Flour, nothing out of a Can, no prepared Food, only Farm Raised Meat or Wild Game. From our Farm.

Right now on my plants no Synthetic Fertilizer or Sprayes.

And I'm to drink 120 once of water a day.

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[Meadowlark]

Nicotine gets a pass, it says... Ridiculous!! One would have to be utterly uninformed to believe that statement.

Coffee, french fries and toast are more likely to cause cancer than Glyphosate, it says.

Where is the research proving this? Where is the science that says drinking coffee is more carcinogenic than using Glyphosate.

What amount of coffee > carcinogenic than Glyphosate?

What amount of french fries > carcinogenic than Glyphosate? Same for toast.

Writing it on an internet forum without scientific research does NOT make it so.

Let's look at some facts:

1) Nicotine absolutely does not get a pass as claimed.

"Each year, on April 15, the five largest tobacco companies pay $9 billion dollars to state governments as part of a 1998 legal settlement. " This settlement specifically included cancer victims.

That would be approximately $234 billion and counting. Hardly a pass.

2) " In 2020, Monsanto (now Bayer) agreed to pay almost $11 billion to settle most Roundup cancer claims."

Round-up is the principal glyphosate provider.

3) There is no record of any payments, none, by coffee suppliers, french fry suppliers, or those who sell toast to cancer victims nor does research provide any claims of such in existence.

 

[Esther Knapicius]

I have been drinking coffee every day for 60 years, not stopping now. But do buy organic coffee. Never smoked. Drink wine once a week a glass. French fries 3x a year. Read labels and buy local grown organic veggies and meats. Do the best I can without being crazy. Both of us are not allergic to anything, or have any flour issues etc.

 

[Ruderunner]

Nicotine gets a pass, it says... Ridiculous!! One would have to be utterly uninformed to believe that statement.

Coffee, french fries and toast are more likely to cause cancer than Glyphosate, it says.

Where is the research proving this? Where is the science that says drinking coffee is more carcinogenic than using Glyphosate.

What amount of coffee > carcinogenic than Glyphosate?

What amount of french fries > carcinogenic than Glyphosate? Same for toast.

Writing it on an internet forum without scientific research does NOT make it so.

Agreed.

There's so much California logic going around that I'm surprised the suicide rate isn't higher.

Let's start with this immutable fact, everything dies eventually.

Seems to me that many people only want to live as long as possible, but not so worried about living well.

Going back to the California logic, if there's even the tiniest bit of something potentially harmful, you better not eat it.

Like green tomatoes or potatoes. Yes, there's a toxin in them, BUT you would have to eat 500 pounds a day.

Apples contain arsenic, but you have to eat 1000 pounds a day.

Following that logic, there's toxins in the air. You better stop breathing if you want to live!

Really, the average life expectancy has nearly doubled over the last 200 years, this stuff can't be that bad for us.

 

[Esther Knapicius]

There is no California Logic.

 

[Ruderunner]

Correct, hence I use it as a euphemism for words that can't be used on an open forum.

 

[cpp gardener]

The IARC (the UN agency that declared glyphosate carcinogenic) also determined that acrylamide (created when foods are roasted, baked or fried) is a neurotoxin, developmental toxin and carcinogenic. It is a Group2A carcinogen just like glyphosate. So if you’re worried about one, be worried about the other and avoid fried, baked or roasted foods.

The NTP (National Toxicology Program) and EPA also consider acrylamide carcinogenic, unlike glyphosate.

I’m not sure of the amounts involved, but non-carcinogen vs carcinogen pretty much says it all.

Ruderunner is correct that the human lifespan has doubled, even with glyphosate for the last 50 years, so this stuff can’t be that bad for us.

Bayer (Monsanto) settled to stop having to go to court all the time, not because the EPA and FDA determined glyphosate was a carcinogen. Personal Injury juries decide emotionally, not logically.

 

[Ruderunner]

Really? The UN thinks cooking food causes cancer?

So the question becomes, is it better to die of cancer or salmonella?

 

[big rockpile]

Well my Son has Limphoma says it is from Roundup.

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[Ruderunner]

How much did he drink?

 

[roadrunner]

I'm not so much concerned about all this talk about what is and what is not carcinogenic. My primary concern is what we're doing to the environment. Even something as benign as fertilizer has a very negative effect over time. And this has nothing to do with whether it's synthetic or natural. I totally agree that plants don't care which type they are fed.

However, much like drugs or sugary foods, the plants become addicted to all these amendments and the symbiotic relationship between the soil organisms and the plant are broken, because of the excessive feeding of these amendments (regardless if they're natural or synthetic). However, it must be emphasized that some of these synthetic ingredients do have negative effects on human health (as illustrated on post #13). And natural amendments are not without their own risks. Natural fertilizers will pollute water sources just as quickly as any synthetic fertilizer.

This is just one reason why I'm so bullish on Regenerative farming and not impressed in the least with "organic" farming, which I don't see much difference from conventional, other than they supposedly don't use synthetic products.


We need to invest more research money into understanding natural processes in lieu of money going to produce more synthetic chemicals to fight the problems we create by destroying the symbiotic relationship between plants and other life forms.

We're only creating super organisms that become resistant to our "fixes".

So why do we keep doing it? Easy -- follow the money.

Fungicides Use, a Resistant Pathogen, and Rising Death Rates — CDC Connects the Dots - HH-RA.org

In the 1950s and 1960s, rapidly rising use of antibiotics to promote growth of farm animals triggered mutations leading to resistant bacteria that have found ways to jump into the human population. For most of the last one-half century, over 7 pounds of antibiotics have been given to farm...

hh-ra.org

In the 1970s and 1980s, insecticides and herbicides took over primary insect and weed control duty on most American farmers. The better a particular pesticide worked, the more farmers came to rely on it. But just as in the case with antibiotics on the farm, excessive reliance triggered the emergence and spread of resistant strains of many economically damaging pests.

And so, no one should be surprised that the rapidly rising use of triazole fungicides by farmers over the last decade is now contributing to the emergence and spread of fungal pathogens that cause human disease. But not just any run-of-the-mill fungal pathogen.

 

[big rockpile]

How much did he drink?

He was using it often with the company he worked for.

Me I'm not using Synthetic Fertilizer and Insect spray because it kills the Microbs in the soil.

Plus don't eat meat from the store because of Growth Hormones.

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