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Message: [QUOTE="Oliver Buckle, post: 234973, member: 12649"] I learned early on, had a summer job on the gardens around BP's headquarters and we used to start the day hoeing the rose beds, that meant they each got gone over once a week. there were a lot of them, but it is amazing how much you ground you can cover very quickly with a hoe if you do it often enough. Get them before they set seed and after a while it is only the blow ins. It also surprised me how much the ground improved over only a few weeks. They were mostly new beds, but once a tilth is established it protects the ground from the sun so it stays moist and lets the air in at the same time. Pulling big weeds does my back in, I would rather take them down with a hook and then make like Father Christmas; "Ho ho ho". [/QUOTE]