.....tomatoes until this year. EVERY indeterminate that I've grown in the past has grown into a space consuming jungle of vegetation.....a LOT of "fruit", but at a "price", having limited space. So this year, I decided to try Phoenix tomato seeds......plant, harvest, pull, repeat. So far, I am VERY pleased with the decision. The plants are strong stalked and do not "ramble" in every direction.......Hopefully the taste will make it a staple in my garden.