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Message: [QUOTE="Oliver Buckle, post: 276465, member: 12649"] It depends a bit on what you start out with doesn't it? Inherit a piece of ground where, even if has been overgrown for a few years, it has been cultivated and there is a base of good earth you might get away with it. Move into a new build with a garden of clay stripped of topsoil and admixed with builder's rubble, and you won't. there are, of course, many possibilities in between, but I have to agree, in general the more you put in to it the more you get out of it. [/QUOTE]