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Message: [QUOTE="NatalieW, post: 82883, member: 3592"] That changes everything! You won't want it to look like a high maintenance nightmare, so I would thin it considerably ...then trail the long stems out along the rails of the porch and give them a loose tie down.... if you don't want to thin it, then you'll want to untangle some of it and let the stems run along the porch rails and up the post. I think they just need more room to spread out instead of clump together. The stems are so busy trying to find something to cling to and support them that they are just clumping over one another and the bottom ones end up supporting the uppers. ...this puts a lot of strain on the bush, which is another reason to thin... you can even thin from the inner layers, keeping the prettier outer layers in tact and then trying to spread those out to better surfaces of support. :) Feed them so they get some pretty showy blooms to help sell! ... [/QUOTE]